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1. You are in denial. Amnesty nailed us.

   Comment by Steve Bremner | May 26, 2005

2. In denial, no. Although we may have done, or are doing things that are not as squeaky clean as the image we want to portray, (not excusing said deeds), we are astronomical units ahead of those actions that most of the world do, or would do in the same situation.

   Let me compare it to college football. And, yes, I know I’m partial to FSU, but anyone that has grown up in South Florida that wants to acknowledge the truth knows this story as such.

   FSU is known far and wide as a “clean” program. In 1999, 2 wide receivers were arrested for getting around $750 worth of clothing each, for about $10 to $20 a piece. It was a national scandal. Yes, it was wrong. One WR was kicked off the team, (due to Bowden’s personal 3 strikes rule), and the other was suspended a few games. (It cost Peter Warrick the Heismean.) FSU fans were not upset that they were caught, but were upset that it happened in the 1st place.

   University of Miami. I grew up a UM fan, and stopped being a fan a couple of years before I went to FSU. Why? Because players could rape and attempt to kill women, and be playing the next Saturday. It was all swept under the rug. Rear end a cop in a drive thru at 1am while your drunk, and then take off. Even caught dead to rights, your still playing, and charges are mysteriously dismissed. Collecting extra Pell Grants while you’re on FULL SCHOLORSHIP…nah, you won’t suffer, and UM will get tapped on the wrist.

   This is what is happening in this world. We have a few bad eggs, and when they are caught, (not only are we all ashamed and horrified), but the world, and Amnesty International portrays us as the great evil. However, if you mass murder your own citizens, put people in darned near death camps for basically sneezing wrong, or purposely target COMPLETELY INNOCENT PEOPLE…well, that’s o.k., as long as you’re not an American.

   This country is trying to play by some rules of civility, accomplished or failed, but those that are trying to kill us…not just irk us, but freaking kill each and every one of us, have no such care for human life or rights.

   Yes, as an American, if our soldiers or other personnel fail their duty and cause undue harm to person or pride, make that American pay. However, to say that we are the worst rights abusers when we generally bend over backwards to make people somewhat comfortable, while you put the heinous crimes of other on the back burner shows that Amnesty International is a fraud at best.

   Comment by ManicNole | May 28, 2005

3. Sorry for the numerous spelling, gramatical and usage errors. I didn’t edit as I was typing. It’s been a loooooong night.

   Comment by ManicNole | May 28, 2005

4. ManicNole I agree with your comments completely. I’m afraid that your logic will fall on deaf ears from Mr. Bremner however. I expect him to reply with a “Dean-like” scream of outrage or denial, or maybe a well thought out “Oh Yeah?”

   Comment by tnjack | May 28, 2005

5. OK. Here’s my comment. “Oh Yeah” let’s throw away the high road. Let’s dumb ourselves down to the low road of torture and put our great nation down in the gutter. Senator John McCain came out quite eloquently and stolidly against any form of torture against any sort of enemy combatants. As he stated, torture does not produce credible results–it only puts a solid stain of shame on our nation. Shame, shame, shame…. I’m ashamed to be associated with people of your ilk.

   Comment by Steve Bremner | May 30, 2005

6. Oh and BTW, please read “The Torture Papers: The Road to Abu Graib” for the complete story before you rant and rave. It’s always nice to have the facts at your disposal… The policy of torture comes from the top down–not as your bushevic masters keep drumming down your gullible throats.

   Comment by Steve Bremner | May 30, 2005

7. Do a “Google” search on Australia and Guantanomo Bay, or Britain and Guantanomo Bay, or any other nation of your choice to find out what the rest of the world thinks about our great nation. We are in a bubble, oblivious to the world condemnation and opprobrium.

   Comment by Steve Bremner | May 30, 2005

8. Once again, Mr. Bremner, you fail to actually absorb the primary gist of the post, (which seems to be a habit of yours), and spin off into your arguments of mis-direction.

   As said previously, I as well as I believe most that post hear, do believe that when true torture exists, it should be punished. However, completely hand-cuffing our intelligence organizations to play patty cake with these terrorists will lead to further disaster and bloodshed. It seems you would be very happy to have these people put up in a Hilton, and pampered, but if the Sears Tower were levelled by an attack, you would also be the first in line screaming that our government did not do enough to find out the plot and stop it.

   As far as your recommendation for reading material, if I came across it, I would probably give it a look. However this sort of leads to the next thing in your diatribe that is rather laugable. You could not resist throwing in your little jibe about my/our “Bushevic Masters” and what they are “drumming down your throats”. Now, to express your opinion, it would have been possible to say, “things are shown to be different than what information this adminstration, (Bush, the Repbulican Party, etc.), is giving you and you choose to follow. That would have given me more of a leaning to say, “You know, maybe he is a rather logical and thoughtful person, and I should check out this book.” Instead, it makes me wonder if I am such a clod that I am gulping down whatever inane spewage “My Masters” ween me on, how do I truly know that it isn’t the same for you? Your comments seem to illustrate more about yourself than they show anything about those you comment against.

   Comment by ManicNole | May 31, 2005

9. You know, maybe this is a rather logical and thoughtful person, and you should check out this book: “The Torture Papers: The Road to Abu Graib”.

   Comment by Steve Bremner | May 31, 2005

10. Oh, I’m sorry. It is some 1200 pages. I apologize if your attention span won’t accomodate that lengthy a tome.

    Comment by Steve Bremner | May 31, 2005

11. Sincerely,

    Arrogant and very secular humanist,

    Steve

    Comment by Steve Bremner | May 31, 2005

12. Hey, Jonathan. I’m sorry. I’m having a lot of fun with this. Hope you have a sense of humour!! One thing you (and I) have to realize is… our polar viewpoints are representative of America at this stage of our history. No need to take it personally! Our respective view points will continue into the indefinite future no matter whether we “convert” to the other’s viewpoint or not!!

    Best Regards,

    Steve

    Comment by Steve Bremner | May 31, 2005

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