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1. You know what the response to this tragedy is going to be… the secular progressive liberal left will blame it on “guns”. It’s automatic whenever there is an incident involving gun violence. “We need more gun control”, “Ban handguns”. Yeah take away the guns, that would solve it. I don’t know, could it be that the left has been destroying the family values, institutions, and traditions that make this country great, and replacing morality, decency, right and wrong, respect for authority, personal accountability with moral relativity, victim mentality, a selfish, f-the-consequences “do what ya like” mentality. Don’t blame it on guns. It’s like allowing your roof to rot for 40 years and then when it collapses blaming the rain.

   Comment by Joe | October 10, 2007

2. It turns out that the school is a school for kids who have gotten removed from regular schools for diiplinary problems. The kid had mental issues that they knew about.
   OK here comes the lib reason watch your coffee and other drinks.
   It Bush’s fault. The kid is/was black, his mental health issues were ignored because of his skin color. He didnt recieve any mental health help because we all know (from Rev Al, Jesse and Nagin) that Bush hates blacks. So there you have it.

   Comment by WMD_Maker | October 11, 2007

3. Nice work, guys!

   Comment by crushliberalism | October 11, 2007

4. LOL! Thanks for the warning WMD!

   Comment by DoubleD | October 11, 2007

5. Except that he was white, did the Goth thing and worshipped Marilyn Manson.

   Comment by The Truth Hurts | October 11, 2007

6. The students were screaming “Oh my God, Oh my God”. Where the hell is the ACLU? We need to keep God and prayers out of the public schools!!!

   Comment by DJ | October 11, 2007

7. You are a prophet. But how long until the 9-11 Truthers come up with a theory that Bush and Cheney secretly planned this school attack as a means to eliminate a few minorities and eventually pass new legislation to further restrict our ‘civil liberties’?

   Comment by JsinGood | October 11, 2007

8. LOL, DJ and Jsin!

   Comment by crushliberalism | October 11, 2007

9. For the record, I didn’t blame Bush for the actual shooting, I said if one is going to claim credit that there have been no attacks on U.S soil since 9/11/01, one must accept accountability for lapses such as the DC Sniper Case and post-Katrina aid and violence, which fall under Homeland Security pervue.

   No fair only claiming the victories.

   Comment by Bijan C. Bayne | October 11, 2007

10. Hey, I thought schools were no-gun zones!

    Comment by Van Helsing | October 11, 2007

11. I said if one is going to claim credit that there have been no attacks on U.S soil since 9/11/01, one must accept accountability for lapses such as the DC Sniper Case and post-Katrina aid and violence, which fall under Homeland Security pervue.

    Actually, you said that both the VaTech shootings and the Cleveland school shootings were both failures of Bush. I don’t think you’re prepared to argue that a state university and a city high school “fall under Homeland Security pervue”, now are you?

    Comment by crushliberalism | October 11, 2007

12. It’s not my argument, it’s the government’s. If you read the Dep’t of Homeland Security’s literature, or visit their website, they state that all public gathering places and municipal bdgs. fall under their protective responsibility. It even came up in yesterday’s news regarding immunization for public and elected officials visiting this week’s NASCAR race in Concord, N.C. The reason given is that the track is a public place where contamination or disease may be spread. Doesn’t mean the virus itself is the fault of any particular administr., it shows that the fed. gov’t has assumed responsibility to protect citizenry there.

    Comment by Bijan C. Bayne | October 12, 2007

13. I didn’t doubt your prediction Jon and I can see why. I don’t know why but I still get surprised at the lengths the moonbats can s-t-r-e-t-c-h a subject to make a connection to Bush. I can’t wait until 2009 and see what the moonies are going to do when W is in Texas and not the White House!

    Comment by tnjack | October 12, 2007

14. It’s not my argument, it’s the government’s. If you read the Dep’t of Homeland Security’s literature, or visit their website, they state that all public gathering places and municipal bdgs. fall under their protective responsibility.

    I visited their website, and this is what I saw:

    “President Bush issued an updated National Strategy for Homeland Security to guide, organize and unify homeland security efforts among federal, state, local and tribal governments, private and nonprofit sector partners, and individuals. This strategy builds on the first National Strategy for Homeland Security (July 2002).

    It incorporates lessons learned from exercises and real-world catastrophes, and focuses on the goals to protect and disrupt terror attacks, protect citizens and critical infrastructure, respond to incidents, and continue to strengthen the program.”

    Nobody with a functioning brain cell thinks that it’s primarily DC’s responsibility to prevent a high school shooting in Cleveland or a college shooting in Blacksburg. Unless DHS has credible intel beforehand that a terrorist attack is going to occur in such a setting, it is incumbent upon the schools (and their respective local governing bodies) to take necessary precautions.

    Geez, why even have local or state governments? Let’s just have DC do everything for us. That mentality didn’t serve N.O. very well. But I forgot…that was Bush’s fault, too.

    Comment by crushliberalism | October 12, 2007

15. From the DHS website:

    Preparedness & Response
    In the event of a terrorist attack, natural disaster or other large-scale emergency, the Department of Homeland Security will provide a coordinated, comprehensive federal response and mount a swift and effective recovery effort. The department assumes primary responsibility for ensuring that emergency response professionals are prepared for any situation

    (Kartina and Rita were “natural”, Va. Tech, though local, was a large-scale emergency)

    Prevention & Protection
    The Department of Homeland Security merges under one roof the capability to anticipate, preempt and deter threats to the homeland whenever possible, and the ability to respond quickly when such threats do materialize.

    (this speaks to the public school, public stadium, public building piece)

    Comment by Bijan C. Bayne | October 12, 2007

16. The link you provided proves MY point, which is response and not prevention. Do you even read?

    “Threats to the homeland”, for anyone with a cursory grasp of English, is clearly a reference to national defense and not localized threats (see Cleveland shooting). I mean, based on your rather liberal interpretation, a cow fart in Omaha would qualify as a “threat to the homeland” (well, as long as the cow farted in a farmer’s market, since that would be a “public place”, right?) and would require federal intervention. “Someone call Chertoff, Bessie just cut one!” So, uh…no, this does NOT “speak to the public schools”, m’kay?

    Again, based on your vehement assertions of federal involvement, I assume you’re saying that we don’t need to have local or state governments at all, right? Just let the feds centrally plan and run everything? Your belief in a bloated federal nanny state is telling.

    Give it up, dude. All you’ve done is proven my point, which is that there is a fringe element in America that believes anything that goes wrong is Bush’s fault. That you’ve gone to such absurd lengths to argue that very thing simply reinforces MY argument, not yours.

    Comment by crushliberalism | October 12, 2007

17. BTW, Bijan…

    We were just told to evacuate our building. It seems as though smoke was spotted downstairs. Since our office is a “public building piece”, we can expect DHS (and not the local police or firefighters) to be showing up any minute now, right?

    Comment by crushliberalism | October 12, 2007

18. The website and the agency address response and prevention, and yes, I read well, I’ve published in more than 40 U.S. magazines, tens of newspapers, and been both a t.v. and talk radio guest since 1984. Don’t twist what I said about security accountability, before and after events, out of context. And refrain from the name-calling (e.g. “dimwit”).

    Hope everything in your building turns out okay.

    Comment by Bijan C. Bayne | October 12, 2007

19. from a news source:

    “…NASCAR Immunization Recommended for Southern Travelers

    Congressional aides about to set out on a public health fact-finding trip to two NASCAR races were advised to get a range of vaccines before attending, including hepatitis A, hepatitis B, tetanus, diphtheria and influenza, before attending the events the Charlotte Observer reported.

    The House Homeland Security Committee planned the fact-finding trip about public health preparedness at mass gatherings, and decided to conduct the research at two of the nation’s most heavily attended sporting events, NASCAR’s Bank of America 500 event this weekend at Lowe’s Motor Speedway in Charlotte, and the UAW-Ford 500 last weekend in Talladega…”

    Health and hurricanes matter too, not just attacks from abroad. And I never blamed anyone but the shooter for the actual crime in Cleveland- I opined that the Administration has not made our spaces as safe as they claim, post 9-11.

    Comment by Bijan C. Bayne | October 12, 2007

20. I opined that the Administration has not made our spaces as safe as they claim

    In other words, one can deduce that you’re saying as a result of such, anything that transpires is the Administration’s fault.

    And I opined that it is not the administration’s responsibility to make our “spaces” (such as my work building or public schools) safer, and it is foolhearty to assume it is. If the administration is claiming what you claim, i.e. that it is indeed their responsibility at the federal level to prevent school shootings (and I don’t think that they are claiming that at all), then I would say they are woefully ignorant of the Constitution and of the concepts of federalism. Actually, I would say that anyway, but that’s a different topic for a different day.

    And refrain from the name-calling (e.g. “dimwit”).

    That’s a fair request. In my defense, I’ve seen a lot of pseudo-intellectual (and just plain moonbatty) garbage over the years that blames pretty much everything on the administration (hurricanes, tsunamis, global “warming”, school shootings, suicides, the real estate bubble, the corruption of the UN, the split of Britney and K-Fed, Anna Nicole’s death, etc.). Who knew that a guy that “dumb” could be that powerful? Anywho, so when I see something like “the Cleveland shootings is proof that Bush hasn’t made us any safer”, it’s easy to toss that line of garbage in with the aforementioned “Bush-genic” problems.

    I think it’s more than safe to say that on this issue, you and I are just gonna have to “agree to disagree.”

    Comment by crushliberalism | October 12, 2007

21. If everything that happened on Pres. Clinton’s watch may be blamed on him and his admin. then every newsworthy incident that has transpired since Jan. 20, 2001 is fare game as well (not saying that you have said so- I haven’t read you long enough to know- but many others have made that case).

    My point is that it is very easy to claim a negative victory- “We haven’t had a sexual harassment suit at our workplace in 16 months”, or “I haven’t had a DUI in four years.” The standard of security on the homefront is high if one sets the bar that way by drawing so much attention to it (especially using the 9-11 deaths as an electional cycle tool, a la Bush & Giuliani).

    Comment by Bijan C. Bayne | October 12, 2007

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