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MSM causes moonbats to flip over a comment Rudy didn’t make!

I’ll go ahead and get the obligatory “Nope…no liberal media bias!” out of the way, but I reserve the right to use it again in this post, if warranted.  From the Spectator:

An AP story on Monday quoted Rudy Giuliani as saying:

“This is the world we live in. It’s not this happy, romantic-like world where we’ll negotiate with this one, or we’ll negotiate with that one and there will be no preconditions, and we’ll invite (Iranian President Mahmoud) Ahmadinejad to the White House, we’ll invite Osama (bin Laden) to the White House,” Giuliani said.

“Hillary and Obama are kind of debating whether to invite them to the inauguration or the inaugural ball,” he added.

The quote caused a stir among anti-Rudy bloggers, with TPM running with it and Andrew Sullivan writing, “This is literally insane. If he is starting with this kind of unhinged claim, where will he end up?” Keith Olbermann fumed, “A year before the election and Rudy Giuliani is already publicly contending the Democrats are willing to invite Osama bin Laden to the White House to negotiate. Sure they are, buster.”

The only problem is, the quote wasn’t accurate.

While watching this video of the Olbermann segment portraying Giuliani as “Bush on steroids,” I noticed that Giuliani (around the 1 minute mark) did not say Osama, but Assad. As in, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, one of the many leaders of hostile regimes that leading Democrats have said they would negotiate with without preconditions. This is consistent with a point Giuliani made at the Republican Jewish Coalition earlier this month:

This is the great fallacy in this now very strong Democratic desire to negotiate, negotiate, negotiate and negotiate. You’ve got to know with whom to negotiate and with whom you should not negotiate. When Barack Obama, a couple of months ago, said that he would invite Ahmadinejad, Assad, Castro and Chavez — did I miss somebody — to Washington in the first year that he’s in office to meet with them, without preconditions, when he was condemned by Hillary Clinton, who now has joined his position…

Video here.

Now, it’s perfectly accurate for Giuliani to hit Obama for wanting to invite Ahmadinejad and Assad to Washington, as Obama said he was willing to do here. Clinton later joined him, at least on Iran, here. If you want to argue that Giuliani went overboard by joking that the Democrats “are kind of debating whether to invite them to the inauguration or the inaugural ball,” that’s one thing. But clearly what sensationalized this entire story is the idea that Giuliani was saying that Democrats want to invite Osama bin Laden to the White House. That’s a claim that Giuliani clearly did not make, and the AP, as well as bloggers who picked up the story, and Olbermann, should correct the error.

UPDATE: Sullivan and the AP have issued corrections.

Yes, they did issue a correction…two days later.  Sure, the video was available instantly, but does that mean the MSM should have issued a correction instantly?  Well, uh…yeah, it does mean that.  So, pardon the redundancy here, but “Nope…no liberal media bias!”

By the way, to further illustrate the sheer lunacy of the left, the Huffpos and both of Olbermann’s viewers were treated to the video clip…and still went on pretending that Rudy had actually said “Osama”, lying eyes and ears be damned.  If you ever had any doubts as to just how meaningless such things like facts can be to the left, those doubts should be erased by now.

November 1, 2007 Posted by | media bias, moonbats, Rudy | 4 Comments

Phelps smacked with multimillion dollar verdict, plus MSM sloppiness

The loathsome Fred Phelps of the “God hates fags” and “let’s go taunt families of fallen soldiers at their funerals” klan got his just desserts yesterday.  Happy Halloween, bitch!  Allah has more:

The sweetest part? The punitive damages, which is where the real money is, are still to come.

Albert Snyder of York, Pa., the father of a Westminster Marine who was killed in Iraq, today won his case in a Baltimore federal court against members of Topeka, Kan.-based Westboro Baptist Church who protested at his son’s funeral last year.

The jury of five women and four men awarded Snyder $2.9 million in compensatory damages. The amount of punitive damages to be awarded has not yet been decided. The jury deliberated for about two hours yesterday and much of today…

Specifically, he charged that they violated his privacy, intentionally inflicted emotional harm and engaged in a conspiracy to carry out their activities. The jury decided in Snyder’s favor on every count.

This will open the floodgates for the other families who’ve been protested by Phelps to sue and put him in the poorhouse, if the verdict stands on appeal. That’s the real test here. The tort of intentional infliction of emotional distress that Snyder won on hinges on “outrageousness”; a standard example is prank-calling someone to tell them their spouse or child was killed in an accident. It’s up to the jury to decide if the offending behavior is so beyond the pale that the perpetrator should actually have to atone by paying the victim money. Given the parties involved here, a sympathetic verdict was a foregone conclusion. The question on appeal will be whether the First Amendment protects Phelps from the IIED claim, with the Falwell case, which also involved IIED, sure to be cited as precedent. In that case Larry Flynt’s editorial cartoon about Falwell was ruled to be protected speech, but only because Falwell was a “public figure” for First Amendment purposes, which the Snyder family likely is not. The Court’s reasoning was that people have to be free to criticize public figures in order to engage in public debate; otherwise they’d live in fear of being hit with an IIED suit every time they said something harsh. Whether they need the same freedom to criticize the war by holding “God Hates Fags” signs outside a soldier’s funeral is another matter. Phelps will point to this language in the opinion in his defense:

“Outrageousness” in the area of political and social discourse has an inherent subjectiveness about it which would allow a jury to impose liability on the basis of the jurors’ tastes or views, or perhaps on the basis of their dislike of a particular expression. An “outrageousness” standard thus runs afoul of our longstanding refusal to allow damages to be awarded because the speech in question may have an adverse emotional impact on the audience.

If you take that seriously, all IIED claims should be unconstitutional on First Amendment grounds. The Court evidently doesn’t believe that’s true, though, because it declined to rule that way in Falwell, limiting its decision instead to cases involving public figures. Phelps’s only chance is to ask them to extend that ruling and now declare all IIED claims flatly unconstitutional or to argue that the Snyder family are limited purpose public figures for purposes of the analysis, which would strengthen the First Amendment defense. With a conservative Supreme Court and public sentiment overwhelmingly in the plaintiff’s favor, they’ve got a tough haul. 

Update: Like I said, the big money’s in the punitives.

The jury first awarded $2.9 million in compensatory damages. It returned later in the afternoon with its decision to award $6 million in punitive damages for invasion of privacy and $2 million for causing emotional distress.

Interesting that the lion’s share comes from the privacy claim, not the IIED claim. It’s my understanding that the Phelps people followed the law and kept their statutorily mandated distance from the funeral itself. I wonder if that’s going to affect these damages on appeal.

For those on the left who want to try and tie Phelps to the right, you’re out of luck: he’s a Democrat.  Heck, he even campaigned on behalf of the Goron.  Sorry, that’s your loon, and you can keep the scumbag.

By the way, as Allah also shows, the MSM got predictably lazy and sloppy on the matter.  Since most everyone knows that the Phelps cockroaches are the shameful “God hates fags” people, the MSM just assumed the following about the fallen soldier in question:

snyder2.jpg

Someone apparently tipped them off to their laziness, because the “erroneous” gay angle went down the memory hole a little later.  Asks Allah: “How ill-informed must they be not to know that the ‘God Hates Fags’ crap is SOP for Phelps?”  Though a rhetorical question, I’ll answer: incredibly ill-informed.  Like I’ve stated before, the MSM has gotten so lazy, sloppy, and agenda-driven that they don’t even bother to do basic research and editing anymore.

Nope…no liberal media bias!

November 1, 2007 Posted by | gay, media bias, moonbats, shameful | 3 Comments

   

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