“you haven’t seen ANY polls following Saturday’s forum. If the Obamessiah had done well, we would be inundated with polls extolling the brilliance of the great one… However, McCain clearly wiped the floor with Obama, all we hear is the Deafening Sound of Pollster Silence…..”

You nailed it KG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yet McCain is expected to routinely go before the MSM pool, NAACP and other leftist organizations and gets no credit or admiration from those on the left.

Besides, this was a nationally televised forum on C-SPAN, FOX and CNN. It has been covered extensively by NBC, MSNBS, BBC America and other outlet not supportive of McCain. And it has been replayed over and over again in its entirety several times on all outlets. The audience in the church has nothing to do who won and who lost. Public opinion by those who witnessed the forum and the talking heads who comment on politics agree, McCain won.

Lastly, I believe McCain won, for one simple reason, and it wasn’t his responses to the answers. McCain seemed presidential. He was knowledgeable on the issues; he was decisive on his responses and looked like a person who has been successfully been in the arena for years. Obama looked like a unsure rookie. Agreeing with Obama’s politics or not, Obama looked weak and unprepared for the role he will have to take if he becomes president.

Not entirely true (surprise, surprise). He’s still against drilling in ANWR (which is stupid, but he’s sticking to it). He has always said that states should determine whether or not to permit drilling, which you know because we talked about it. I teased you for siding with McCain on that issue.

all obama said was that even though he is against drilling, he would be willing to consider a package that included some drilling in order to move something larger through.

Obama was against all offshore drilling. Once he saw the polls that showed Americans overwhelmingly support offshore drilling, he “shifted” his position. One day, he was staunchly opposed and immovable…two days later, he changed direction when he came here to FL (a battleground state that supports offshore drilling). But I’m sure it was a big coinkidink, though, right?

i don’t think that is quite the same.

You’re right. Obama is governed not by a moral compass or by a sense of bipartisanship, but by an opportunism that lacks conviction.

which everyone knew he was pro-choice going in

You mean “pro-infanticide”, right? I am disturbed at the ease with which you evade that unpleasant bit of reality.

so sure, mccain won, because his views are exactly what this crowd wanted to hear.

Spare me. The Obamessiah got his share of applause from people in the audience, especially when he said he wouldn’t have nominated Justice Thomas. McCain won because he spoke his mind, with clarity and conviction, and if Barry O could do that…well, never mind. He can’t speak with conviction, because he has none.

the audience of saddleback is not obama’s crowd, yet he went there anyway, willing to talk about issues of faith and personal values, including abortion, which everyone knew he was pro-choice going in, to a staunchly pro-life crowd – i think that merits some admiration. i don’t think any past democratic nominee would have even accepted that offer to do so.

so sure, mccain won, because his views are exactly what this crowd wanted to hear. i don’t think obama had a chance to be seen as “winning” but even warren and brody thought he did as well as he could do with this crowd.

No, I don’t.

first off it was on on a saturday night. secondly, it is the olympics and saturday night was when michael phelps got his 8th gold, so i bet a lot of people who were watching tv were tuned into that.

True. I watched Phelps race. I didn’t catch the Saddleback thingy on Saturday. I watched it Sunday.

it might have a reverse affect on independents though because a lot of people mistakenly think mccain is pro-choice and he definitely cleared that up saturday night, so that might lose a few with that.

I doubt it. Most people know that McCain is pro-life, as he’s been clear about that for years. Back in ’04 when Kerry was recruiting him, McCain said that he doubted that the Dem base would want a pro-life, pro-free market candidate on their ballot for prez. So I’ve known for four years that he was pro-life.

Besides, I don’t know if independents care about that. I mean, Roe v. Wade won’t be overturned anytime in our life, whether anyone likes it or not. The president doesn’t have much to do with the abortion debate, because if he did, then Bush had six years of a GOP Congress to do something about it. That he didn’t proves, to me, that nothing significantly different is going to come down the pike on abortion.

Having said that, Obama’s waffling on “when life begins” and his shameful pro-infanticide record will likely turn off evangelicals and possibly even some independents who are horrified at such a heinous position as his “it’s OK to let abortion survivor babies die” stance.

i also find it funny that people think mccain won because his answers were more direct, sound-bite talking points.

Do you also find it funny that the Obama camp thinks McCain won? If they didn’t think that, they wouldn’t be floating this moonbat conspiracy theory that he heard the questions and answers.

Could it possibly be that his answers were direct because he…oh, I dunno…actually believes what he says? I know, you’re used to Obama waffling, flip-flopping, and sticking a moist finger in the air to see which way the political winds are blowing, so it’s hard for you to recognize such conviction.

wouldn’t it be crazy to have an intellectual president who actually thinks things through!

You DO understand that this is not a description of the Obamaliar, right? He doesn’t “think things through”, jen…he waits to see what will gain traction politically, then speaks accordingly. Once he realizes he’s on the wrong side (e.g. drilling), he reverses course to tell people what they want to hear. That’s not “intelligent”, jen…that is dishonest, opportunistic, and shallow. In other words, that is Barack Obama.

people think mccain won because his answers were more direct, sound-bite talking points

McCain won because he has courage in his convictions and didn’t waffle in his answers. You’re confusing conviction with talking points jen.

wouldn’t it be crazy to have an intellectual president who actually thinks things through!

Despite all the cr@p that has been spewed by liberals over the past 7 years, we have an intellectual president RIGHT NOW who thinks things through and stands firm in his beliefs. Not to be confused with the Obamessiah who can’t utter a sentence without a teleprompter because he doesn’t stand for anything!

if anything, saddleback probably did firm up mccain’s standing with the evangelicals which is good for him but i don’t think this crowd was too open to obama anyway. it might have a reverse affect on independents though because a lot of people mistakenly think mccain is pro-choice and he definitely cleared that up saturday night, so that might lose a few with that.

i also find it funny that people think mccain won because his answers were more direct, sound-bite talking points. wouldn’t it be crazy to have an intellectual president who actually thinks things through!

As evidenced by the fact that you haven’t seen ANY polls following Saturday’s forum. If the Obamessiah had done well, we would be inundated with polls extolling the brilliance of the great one… However, McCain clearly wiped the floor with Obama, all we hear is the deafening sound of pollster silence…..