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British Catholic “leaders” want Muslim prayer rooms…in Catholic schools!

Hat tip to PabloD for passing on this bit of Euro P.C. lunacy.  From the UK:

Muslim prayer rooms should be opened in every Roman Catholic school, church leaders have said.

The Catholic bishops of England and Wales also want facilities in schools for Islamic pre-prayer washing rituals.
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The recommendations were made in a document, Catholic Schools, Children of Other Faiths and Community Cohesion.

‘If practicable, a room (or rooms) might be made available for the use of pupils and staff from other faiths for prayer,’ the bishops said.

‘Existing toilet facilities might be adapted to accommodate individual ritual cleansing which is sometimes part of religious lifestyle and worship.

At least one sane person was quoted in this article:

Daphne McLeod, a former Catholic head teacher from south London, said it would be ‘terribly expensive’ for the country’s 2,300 Catholic primary and secondary schools to provide ritual cleansing facilities.

She said: ‘If Muslim parents choose a Catholic school then they accept that it is going to be a Catholic school and there will not be facilities for ritual cleansing and prayer rooms.

‘They do their ritual cleansing before they go to a mosque, but they are not going to a mosque.

‘I don’t think the bishops should go looking for problems. Where will it stop?’ 

How’s about a chortle at this poor schlub’s naivete?

But Majid Khatme, a Muslim who sent his children to a London Catholic school, said he was delighted by the gesture.

‘It is very kind of the bishops if they give this facility for Muslims to pray,’ he said.

‘I would love to send a letter of thanks to the bishops, really. If they do this all Muslims in Britain will be thankful to the Catholic Church to have facilities to pray. It is very, very encouraging.’ 

Oh, I see.  Allow Muslims to pray in Catholic schools and the jihadist weirdbeards will suddenly stop self-detonating and screaming “Death to Infidels!” in light of their newfound respect for British dhimmis!  Yeah, good luck with that.

It seems like only yesterday that the UK was a respectable, awe-inspiring nation.  Now, it is a pathetic caricature.

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December 4, 2008 - Posted by | dhimmitude, Euros, political correctness, religion of peace

15 Comments »

  1. This is why oppose vouchers. It’s just an entitlement program and I believe a parent using Cleveland’s voucher system has already complained about her child having to say Catholic prayers when he’s a Baptist.

    Comment by Alli | December 4, 2008

  2. What the HELL????? This is absolutely insane!
    I wonder if the Muslims provide the same accommodation to Catholics by providing prayer candles and statues of the Virgin Mary in mosques? Somehow I think…NOT.

    It’s really hard to feel sorry for the Brits in their descent into Islamoinsanity. By their own hand they’re destroying their country.

    Americans better wake up. Our politicians are taking us down the same road!

    Comment by Kanaka Girl | December 4, 2008

  3. Alli, if a Baptist parent doesn’t want his/her child saying Catholic prayers, then the Baptist parent shouldn’t send Little Johnny to a Catholic school. I don’t think that taking away vouchers for that reason makes any sense.

    Comment by crushliberalism | December 4, 2008

  4. Kanaka Girl took my thunder! I agree with her, is this a two-way street? Am I to be treated, and my Christianity to be treated equally well in the British mosques? My children’s? What would happen is I asked for a specific area in a madrassa for me to place a cross and a knealing board for my prayers? We know the answer already, don’t we?

    Comment by Hardcore | December 4, 2008

  5. Maybe the brits learned their lesson about religious persecution? :D

    Comment by Marla | December 4, 2008

  6. The only thing the Brits have learned is how to roll over for an invading army of people whose only allegiance is to a foreign ideology. If they think that appeasement will save them, they are sorely mistaken. Just ask Chamberlain.
    Folks, the buzzing sound you hear in London is Winston Churchill’s corpse doing 3500 rpm in his casket…

    Comment by PabloD | December 5, 2008

  7. I would ask if this was the country that gave us Churchill, but then I remember it was also the country that gave us Chamberlain who made the problem worse before it could get better.

    Get ready ladies and gentlement. I fear Kanaka is right. It is only a matter of time before we follow the downward spiral of Europe if we keep electing weak liberals who’s biggest fear is that we might offend someone or that other nations may not like us. If we keep electing those who make exuces for Islam and try to appease it at every turn, we will be like England in 20 years or less.

    Comment by Concerned Citizen | December 5, 2008

  8. Hi Jonathan,

    You’re right that if a parent doesn’t want his child learning Catholicism, he shouldn’t put them in Catholic schools. But because vouchers are an entitlement, it attracts people who feel they are entitled to more..and they’ll probably get more since vouchers are government funded. Vouchers will not only hurt public schools more, but they will bring down private schools as well.

    Comment by Alli | December 5, 2008

  9. Alli,
    The only thing we can hope is that if implemented vouchers would KILL public schools and the unions which have been equally culpable in the dumbing down of the education standards in this country. (johnny can’t read, but he knows how to don a condom…2+2 is 5? no, that’s not necessarily wrong, how do you feel about how you achieved the answer?…Don’t give Johnny an F, it might affect his self esteem…50% is the lowest allowed failing grade on any test (even though Johnny achieved 3 correct out of 20…I’ll stop my rant here)

    Comment by DJ | December 5, 2008

  10. DJ,

    Every teacher I know is against falsely pumping up a kid’s self esteem. While unions are far from perfect, they are not the sole reason education standards have declined. The biggest problem I’ve seen is that schools have taken on roles and responsibilities they should not be. Many parents (including well off ones) don’t want to parent. Top that off with administrators and board of education members wanting to please these parents, well…you can guess.

    Comment by Alli | December 7, 2008

  11. the buzzing sound you hear in London is Winston Churchill’s corpse doing 3500 rpm in his casket…

    Pablo – you crack me up! :)

    Comment by Kanaka Girl | December 8, 2008

  12. Why would Muslim parents enroll their kids into Catholic schools? This doesn’t make sense on even a sub-surface level.

    Comment by D.I.D. | February 22, 2010

  13. I think you are not looking at this completely rationaly. Sure, it is a Catholic School and parents shoudl be aware of that when sending them there, but it is not something to be all mad about. Just because the same openness is not met in this way by other denomination’s leaders, does not mean out Bishops should not do it as well. Ok, yes, I am believe that the Catholic faith is the right one, otherwise I would not be in it. The thing is, there has to be dialouge as well, and interaction. We can not just shut out other people. How many of you against this diversity are cradle Catholic? How many of them are cradle Muslim? Think about it. People always fight for faith in public schools, so why can’t they have a small space for prayer as well. Dialogue, understanding each other and why such things are needed. Now, of course it may not have to be extreme changes as may have been mentioned, but allowing one room somewhere will not hurt. Put yourself in another person’s shoes and stop being so closed minded.

    Comment by Ash | March 4, 2010

  14. Ash -

    I actually wasn’t trying to be judgemental, but you do have a few points. True, the world would be a better place if religious denominations would open up to each other, but unfortunately this isn’t the case for many (most?). If a Catholic school is the only one in a region and a family adhereing to Islam moves there, while of course the children should be allowed to feel welcomed with a few concessions. I’m just saying that there is little reciprocation on behalf of other religious communities; how many Islamic schools would allow a Catholic confessional inside? Probably very few, if any.

    Granted, there are kooks in every religion. And Islam has a higher percentage of kooks because of the history of most Muslim-majority countries is riddled with conflict (largely due to the intervention of outside powers) and as such the trauma will make a few people extremicized. Dialogue would be good, but for dialogue to work, we need to help remove the source of the extremisim that impedes dialogue.

    Comment by D.I.D. | March 9, 2010

  15. Sorry if I came off very angry, there were heated debates that day at work dealing with such issues.

    To get dialogue, people need to move past their own walls they build and be open. Dialogue is on the individual, not what is happening. It only takes one individual to get another in a certain Tradition to join. We often look to big, we need to understand each other at the basic levels first.

    Comment by Ash | March 9, 2010


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